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[tuNED318]

Salut!

Je viens de découvrir, par MR, que les dirigeants club bmw du québec avait développé un nouveau site. Je dois dire que vous avez fait du très bon travail et en plus il y a un forum.

Mettons que c'est plus complet et professionnel que l'ancien site, hehe

J'ai déjà été membre du club, mais quand j'ai scrappé ma 318:o je n'ai pas ressenti le besoin de me ré-abonner.

J'espère bien me trouver une autre bimmer avant cet été et cette fois-ci être en mesure de me joindre à vous lors de meeting ou d'école de pilotage.

en attendant:

Conduisez prudement! :p

[Emre]

Welcome to the new Club website! Andrei had worked very hard to put it together...and we're all very excited about it.

So, what exactly happened to the 318is?

Emre

[tuNED318]

318i it is

Well, I was driving like 90km/h when I tried to take a curve which was 90deg( didn't know that before I crash) but the real problem is that my front wheels, instead of turning the car (http://get-access.com/?go=car) at least a bit, just turned and slipped. I tried to brake but it just continued. So the car (http://0-29.com/?go=car) went in a straight line untill the left front wheel hit the curb. That forced the rear to hit the curb too and sent the rear almost 2meters in the air. No one was hurt.

That happened in the lane where you can bypass the red light. It was not in a residential area but still pretty stupid. At least I really learned that racing should be on a RACE track, not on the fucking streets.

I guess I was a dumb driver at that time.:o

Now that you know that I won't do that again. Can someone tell me what I should've done to get the control back? like if I should be facing the same situation again in everyday driving.

[Andrei]

Straighten out the steering wheel and brake. Slow the car down first. Then you can ease off the brakes and turn. If the front tires lost grip trying to turn more only makes things worse. Turn less to turn more!

[Emre]

Can someone tell me what I should've done to get the control back? like if I should be facing the same situation again in everyday driving.If you enter a corner too fast, the front tires "give up" and the nose washes out (understeer). The obvious solution is to enter the corner a little slower and only add power once the car has already started to rotate.

The main reason why drivers get into understeer is technique. You need to be SMOOTH with all of your inputs. You can't get away with hammering the throttle, mashing the brakes, or jerking the wheel. With relatively underpowered cars (like th 318i) you can get away with murder up to a point. So it's hard for drivers to recognize that they have harsh inputs...until they get caught out in the rain or snow.

The trick is to treat all of your controls delicately. Step 1 is positioning yourself in the car properly: you have NO control over the car when your seat is dropped into "gangsta lean" mode, your left hand is at 12:00, and your right hand is resting on the shift lever. That might look cool in 2 Fast and 2 Furious...but that's not the way to drive. Slide your seat forward, raise the seat to an upright position, grasp the wheel with a light touch at the 9:00 and 3:00 positions, and with your arms bent comfortably.

When you start to turn the wheel, you always PULL down with one hand (never push up with the opposite hand). You have to initiate the turn SLOWLY and feel for when the suspension starts to load up. Only when the suspension has started to load up laterally can you dial on more lock. If you need to accelerate coming out of the corner, you have to start unwinding the wheel FIRST (again, start unwinding very slowly) before you can add throttle. And the throttle has to come on progressively. Jumping on the throttle will only cause the wheels to spin up or push the nose wide.

Emre

[Nano]

that is an extreme case of understeer.

the laws of physics are what they are. If you corner completely beyond the possible limits of traction, no amount of correction will give you the car back. My best advice is to take performance driving lessons on a track.

In those situations you are talking about instinctive reactions in extremely short time intervals. Even if someone tells you: do-this-that-and-this, it won't help you much. You will still make the same compulsive mistake as you will not have time to think.

Until then, drive slowly if you do not know the road. Even F1 pilots need to learn the courses before they really can push to the limits.






Now that you know that I won't do that again. Can someone tell me what I should've done to get the control back? like if I should be facing the same situation again in everyday driving.

[tuNED318]

Thanks!

I'll try everything you said when I have a new car! lol ;) no way

Maybe in an empty parking lot with cones would be a good idea though :)

I will try to keep what you said in mind if my car should understeer badly again.

[montreal_bimmer]

Straighten out the steering wheel and brake. Slow the car down first. Then you can ease off the brakes and turn. If the front tires lost grip trying to turn more only makes things worse. Turn less to turn more!


:cool: exactly what this guy said. slow down before you turn, braking too hard in a turn could cause you to lose control.

[Emre]

braking too hard in a turn could cause you to lose control.For the most part, you should NOT be braking at all in a corner. You do your braking before the corner...or maybe just at turn-in (trail braking) if you know what you're doing ;)

Emre

[montreal_bimmer]

For the most part, you should NOT be braking at all in a corner. You do your braking before the corner...or maybe just at turn-in (trail braking) if you know what you're doing ;)

Emre

yes i know, but if you are carrying too much speed going into the turn you can LIGHTLY touch the brake and be alright, pushing it too hard is a definate no-no.

basically when it comes to tracking your car, its all about practice practice practice

[tuNED318]

For the most part, you should NOT be braking at all in a corner. You do your braking before the corner...or maybe just at turn-in (trail braking) if you know what you're doing ;)

Emre

yeah, I read somewhere that braking is like 90% before the corner(going straight) and 10% while ENTERING(turn-in) the corner.

[Emre]

yes i know, but if you are carrying too much speed going into the turn you can LIGHTLY touch the brake and be alright, pushing it too hard is a definate no-no.If you enter a corner too hot, the last thing you want to do is brake...you will send the car into a spin. It's much better to go off straight than slide off sideways. If you need to brake, then straighten out the wheel first.


basically when it comes to tracking your car, its all about practice practice practiceExactly. Start with proper instruction, then practice good technique.

Emre

[Emre]

yeah, I read somewhere that braking is like 90% before the corner(going straight) and 10% while ENTERING(turn-in) the corner.That depends on the corner, the car, the entry speed, and a variety of other factors.

There are some corners that you don't want to trail brake AT ALL. There are other corners that you NEED to trailbrake in certain cars. Try to get a FWD or AWD car through Corner 5B at Mosport without trailbraking!

As a rule, you should learn to brake ONLY in an absolutely straight line. Do this for every corner: it's not only safer, but will teach you threshold braking and make you less dependent on your ABS. Once you've mastered threshold braking in a straight line and start to enter corners more smoothly, you will find that you naturally start to trailbrake at times. Don't rush it...you need to learn how to walk before you can run!

Emre