Mecaglisse October 30th Sundaycup [Archive]

diskace

10-01-2005, 04:21 AM

Hi, just a quick reminder. The last event of the corolla club of quebec lapping club for the 2005 season will be held at the mecaglisse circuit on sunday october 30th. Thanks to Emre who did a great job by helping me getting started on this project.

Basically the event will be a half-day lapping session with 2 groups. Beginners and more skilled guys will not run together for security purpose. The event is limited to 20 cars. You must have a certified DOT (snell 2000 helmet is suggested) helmet and a car in good condition.

I am looking for more experienced guys to coach the new adepts on their free time. If you are interested in participating at the event, please send a 25$ deposit to the order of jean-philippe béique by check or cash and fill in the registration form on this website: http://www.clubcorollaquebec.com/vb/showthread.php?t=233

We are willing to give an additional 25% rebate off the regular price for any instructors who is available to coach at the event a couple of the new adepts during their free time. Please contact me directly by email at: jeanp.beique@electronicbox.net if you are interested in participating as an instructor. Registration for this premium event will commence on friday september 30th through friday october 14th.

Hope to see you at the track :)

Regards, jean-philippe Béique

blacksheep

10-01-2005, 12:09 PM

I see you're posting this on every Quebec car forum!

diskace

10-01-2005, 12:58 PM

I see you're posting this on every Quebec car forum!

yes, it is a public event. Any car in good condition with responsible driver is authorized to assist at the event.

bmwqc

10-01-2005, 09:07 PM

yes, it is a public event. Any car in good condition with responsible driver is authorized to assist at the event.

Does that mean that the event is open to non-Corolla/Toyota drivers?

Not quite sure what you mean by "authorized to assist". Are you looking for more drivers to fill the spots or are you fishing for instructors?

Emre

10-02-2005, 10:07 AM

Not quite sure what you mean by "authorized to assist". Are you looking for more drivers to fill the spots or are you fishing for instructors?Hi, guys. I've communicated quite a bit with Jean-Philippe about this via e-mail. We met at Henry's Mecaglisse lapping day and I gave him a ride in the Evo. He has some experience with Solo II (auto-cross) but is a newcomer to lapping. He's active with the Corolloa Club of Quebec, who have been planning their own open lapping day.

Based on what he saw at our event, he wants to make sure that the Corolla Club event is run in an equally safe and smooth manner. He doesn't want a "free for all" like most small clubs run. So, he's modelling thier event on Henry's and asked for our help and guidance.

Basically, the Corolla Club is new to lapping. They have no instructors of their own. This will be a small event. Jean-Philippe is opening the event to BMW Club of Quebec members to participate as drivers. In addition, they are specially inviting some of our instructors (and even very advanced students, like Henry, Andrei, etc.) to help coach their newbies. As a gesture of appreciation, they are offering a 25% reduction in entry fees for instructors and advanced drivers who are willing to participate in some coaching.

Overall, the event will be very close in style and spirit to Henry's last event. Because this is not a formal Club event, we will NOT use the BMW Club mailing list or instructor list...so we're relying on word-of-mouth (hence this post on our forum).

Emre

blacksheep

10-02-2005, 12:23 PM

Not quite sure what you mean by "authorized to assist". Are you looking for more drivers to fill the spots or are you fishing for instructors?I think it might be a translation error, maybe he meant to say "assister" in French which means "to attend" instead of the English meaning "to help out"

so I guess we are all "authorized to attend" but, like Emre says, you are also welcome "to assist" if you want

diskace

10-02-2005, 10:57 PM

Hi, guys. I've communicated quite a bit with Jean-Philippe about this via e-mail. We met at Henry's Mecaglisse lapping day and I gave him a ride in the Evo. He has some experience with Solo II (auto-cross) but is a newcomer to lapping. He's active with the Corolloa Club of Quebec, who have been planning their own open lapping day.

Based on what he saw at our event, he wants to make sure that the Corolla Club event is run in an equally safe and smooth manner. He doesn't want a "free for all" like most small clubs run. So, he's modelling thier event on Henry's and asked for our help and guidance.

Basically, the Corolla Club is new to lapping. They have no instructors of their own. This will be a small event. Jean-Philippe is opening the event to BMW Club of Quebec members to participate as drivers. In addition, they are specially inviting some of our instructors (and even very advanced students, like Henry, Andrei, etc.) to help coach their newbies. As a gesture of appreciation, they are offering a 25% reduction in entry fees for instructors and advanced drivers who are willing to participate in some coaching.

Overall, the event will be very close in style and spirit to Henry's last event. Because this is not a formal Club event, we will NOT use the BMW Club mailing list or instructor list...so we're relying on word-of-mouth (hence this post on our forum).

Emre

Couldn't explain better. Anybody interested on the 30th ?

Andrei ?
Blacksheep ?

Lee

10-03-2005, 07:19 AM

yield

10-03-2005, 09:41 AM

Hi everyone !

Jean-Philippe AKA Diskace is my buisness associate and I did invited him at the last Mecaglisse event (the raining one) so he could see what type of behaviour we have off and on track.

As well he did a couples of rides with Emre and SpeedTT and really apreciate the << courtoisie >> and professionalism of all the participants of this event.

Jean-Philippe Beeing the operator of the Curolla Quebec club attend to make an << end of the year >> event because he verry liked his last experience with us.

The point of inviting instructors like you is that Jean-Philippe is new at organizing this type of events and want it to be as nice as the BMW ones.

If anyone here with instructors skills is willing to come please contact Jean-Philippe by e-Mail or on his http://www.clubcorollaquebec.com board.

I will be at this event to help out as much as I can and would either apreciate peoples to come if possible...

Thank you verry much !

diskace

10-03-2005, 12:26 PM

Hi Jean-Phillipe

I am just back from a three-day weekend at Tremblant where I was instructing with the Audi club. Even though the structure was established, it was a very difficult event as not many instructors or drivers knew how to behave on the track. I understand that the track was new for mostly everyone but that made instructing more dificult. No driver had any attitude problem, that made things simpler though. But overall, being an instructor was exhausting and demanding, as it usually is. It is fun, but extremely tiring. The concentration required to teach and hold a student, is sometimes much higher than what peoples think.

Which is why instructors who do not get paid to perform their duty, at least get free track time and food. I strongly suggest that you offer the same to convince experienced drivers to coach your novice group. The usual format is 2 students per instructor, And it is aleady a tough job. I can't imagine 2 or 3 instructors with 20 drivers. Hope the best for your event.

Hello Lee, thanks for the informations. It is not a formal driver's school so we don't expect instructor's or experienced users to do their regular job as the event is not planned to be a driving school. However, we give 25% off to the experienced users/instructors to assist at the event. Having a reference is very important for me. If new users have questions or want more informations, they could get in touch with an experienced person and this is the reason we give out 25% as a gesture of appreciation.

However, the idea of giving out a free lapping day for assisting as an instructor is very interesting and is fair to me. So i guess we will just give out free lapping day and free lunch for anyone interested to work as an instructor. However, if you prefer to be free and laps all day with a bit of training with new users we will give out 25%.

Regards, jean-philippe.

Emre

10-03-2005, 01:06 PM

Jean-Philippe,

Do you have any idea how many participants you are expecting? Are we talking about 10-15 people or 20+ people?

Emre

yield

10-03-2005, 01:13 PM

No more then 20 participants at 52$/ea. + 10$ insurance each
There is seem to be already about 12 participants registered.
Ho forgot... More then 14..

SpeedTT

10-03-2005, 01:18 PM

Salut Jean-Philippe,
Si je comprends bien tu aimerais que des instructeurs ou pilotes avancés se joingent à votre groupe. Maintenant, pour toi qu'est-ce qu'un pilote avancé... des gens qui pilote bien et qui ont de l'expérience comme Nano, Blacksheep, etc ( évidemment je n'oublie pas les instructeurs officiels et non officiel ( Lee, Emre, Andrei, Henry,etc)).

blacksheep

10-03-2005, 01:43 PM

Emre

10-03-2005, 02:23 PM

I agree that a half day is too short for a formal school (even with just 2 rungroups). A full day would be much better...but it's also a much bigger financial risk for a junior club. In the end, this will probably end up being an open lapping day with a handful of "instructors" helping out to coach some of the newbies. Otherwise, there's just too little track time.

Emre

diskace

10-03-2005, 05:08 PM

52$??

ah c'est une demi-journée ... c'était bcp plus cher pour une journée complète? une demi journée c'est pas long, surtout si tu rassemble 3 groupes.

"en principe" ma saison de track est finie (10 événements au lieu des 6 prévus) mais je vais y penser.

les soirées sont fraiches en fin octobre et c'est pas toujours bien...

speedtt: quelqu'un qui a de l'expérience dans le sens ou il est prêt à aider les recrues... et qu'il n'en est pas à sa 1ère / 2ième saison de lapping. Je vais me fier à emre pour juger de l'expérience d'une personne.

diskace

10-04-2005, 06:25 PM

so... who is coming ?

mox

10-07-2005, 08:59 PM

so... who is coming ?

Me :D

Mais derriere la camera et non derriere mon steering :(

SpeedTT

10-08-2005, 02:19 PM

JE NE SERRAI PAS DES VÔTRES. Bonne journée

silver ride

10-08-2005, 02:34 PM

I may go and check out what's going on as I will have a couple of friends attending. Depending on the weather...

diskace

10-10-2005, 04:38 PM

comon on guys...

a little more participation would be appreciated :D

It wont be boring, trust me !

Lee

10-10-2005, 05:18 PM

Hi Diskace.

I am sorry to see that the number of attendant from our club is lower than expected. Here what I think is happening. I will only speak for myself.

Driving up from Montreal is 1h30 each way. That makes 3 hours back and forth and your event only last 3 hours. Not long enough. As it only lasts 3 hours, it means that the usual 1 hour classroom to give the basic safety training and driving technique will not happen. That might be dangerous. Take a bunch of young drivers who have never attended a track event and who have seen too many movies. Mix with very short track time, and remove any training and structure.

I strongly suggest that next year you visit us at one of our event and witness how tight the safety procedures must be to avoid incidents. Anyway, I wish you the best.

bmwqc

10-10-2005, 05:20 PM

comon on guys...

a little more participation would be appreciated :D

It wont be boring, trust me !

Do you still have openings left?

HW

diskace

10-10-2005, 05:26 PM

Do you still have openings left?

HW

yes, are you interested ?

bmwqc

10-10-2005, 05:44 PM

I am considering. When must I confirm at the latest?

It would be nice to have some more members from this forum to participate.

diskace

10-10-2005, 05:48 PM

I am considering. When must I confirm at the latest?

It would be nice to have some more members from this forum to participate.

As soon as possible. I will send the confirmation on friday this week.

I know karin is coming (the girlfriend of emre) and yield from the club here.

bmwqc

10-10-2005, 06:12 PM

Driving up from Montreal is 1h30 each way. That makes 3 hours back and forth and your event only last 3 hours. Not long enough. As it only lasts 3 hours, it means that the usual 1 hour classroom to give the basic safety training and driving technique will not happen. That might be dangerous. Take a bunch of young drivers who have never attended a track event and who have seen too many movies. Mix with very short track time, and remove any training and structure.

A thee-hour driving event would still offer 1 1/2 hours track time to everyone based on 2 run groups. That is basically the same amount of track time each driver gets in an entire day when attending a club sponsored school (where there they usually have 3 run groups plus the instructors).

As far as pre-track orientation, just get everyone to meet up one hour earlier than originally planned, have the meeting at the coffee shop (explain driving/track rules, pre-assign the run groups) and get to the track earlier. It is vital that the group have access to the full 3 hours of track time and not to be filing into the facility at that time. If the timing is screwed up, what should be a 3 hour track rental may turn out to be only 2 hours net-track time. This means that they must get to the front gate way earlier, pay up the drivers' insurance and be ready to roll.

The organizer of the event shoulg ring up Franck or Marie at Mecaglisse to outline these concerns and make sure that they are OK with allowing the people onto the paddocks earlier that the start time of the track rental.

bmwqc

10-10-2005, 06:14 PM

As soon as possible. I will send the confirmation on friday this week.

I know karin is coming (the girlfriend of emre) and yield from the club here.

I will let you know tomorrow

diskace

10-10-2005, 08:05 PM

A thee-hour driving event would still offer 1 1/2 hours track time to everyone based on 2 run groups. That is basically the same amount of track time each driver gets in an entire day when attending a club sponsored school (where there they usually have 3 run groups plus the instructors).

As far as pre-track orientation, just get everyone to meet up one hour earlier than originally planned, have the meeting at the coffee shop (explain driving/track rules, pre-assign the run groups) and get to the track earlier. It is vital that the group have access to the full 3 hours of track time and not to be filing into the facility at that time. If the timing is screwed up, what should be a 3 hour track rental may turn out to be only 2 hours net-track time. This means that they must get to the front gate way earlier, pay up the drivers' insurance and be ready to roll.

The organizer of the event shoulg ring up Franck or Marie at Mecaglisse to outline these concerns and make sure that they are OK with allowing the people onto the paddocks earlier that the start time of the track rental.

I already talked about this issue with marie and it seem to be ok if we are at the site for 9h15 AM. It will give us 45 min to setup, have the drivers meeting and explain security rules. I did a document you can print to save us some time. It give the basics on how the day was planned. I am trying to deal with marie to get 1h extra instead of finishing the day at 13h... we will see what happen.

Regards, jean-philippe.

Emre

10-10-2005, 08:13 PM

I will "try" to be there...but I can't promise!

Emre

bmwqc

10-10-2005, 08:52 PM

I already talked about this issue with marie and it seem to be ok if we are at the site for 9h15 AM. It will give us 45 min to setup, have the drivers meeting and explain security rules. I did a document you can print to save us some time. It give the basics on how the day was planned. I am trying to deal with marie to get 1h extra instead of finishing the day at 13h... we will see what happen.

Regards, jean-philippe.

Jean-Philippe,

Is there a link I can click on to register?

Tks
HW

diskace

10-10-2005, 08:54 PM

Jean-Philippe,

Is there a link I can click on to register?

Tks
HW

Yes, first:

1) http://www.clubcorollaquebec.com/vb/showthread.php?t=233
2) go to the english text
3) fillup the form
4) fax the form with your credit card # or send the printed form with a check.

Nano

10-10-2005, 10:20 PM

I will be out of the country...

otherwise I would have been there

note: 3 hours is indeed very short

diskace

10-11-2005, 10:15 AM

Thanks henry, i received the form.
Waiting for the deposit.

Andre

10-11-2005, 12:39 PM

I'd love to go but my baby has been put away for the winter and has zero brakes left. --> A good thing too! No more horrible Hawk Hp+. Come next spring, we'll see how race pads and proper ducting fare.

Good luck with your event.
-andre-

mykesheehy

10-11-2005, 03:49 PM

i only would have to buy 4 tires...................ill take a look on that idea until thursday............im interest on going either behind the wheel then behind my cam........

so its 62 $for the day..........need a sneel 2000 helmet and thats it...!! cool .....ive to find rubbers........

diskace

10-13-2005, 01:37 PM

3 place left !

flukester

10-26-2005, 09:01 PM

I'm going! I sent my 25$ a while ago by wire transfer. Jean-Philippe, since I'll be paying the rest in cash, Simon told me I didn't have to fax you the registration form.. Hope everything is ok. (I couldn't fax the document to a long distance number from work and I don't have a fax at home...).

Hopefully, I'll get all the details right on the car this time, to avoid the "embarassment" I had the last time at the track! ahah

antoine