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yield
08-31-2005, 06:29 PM
Hi everyone,
I am looking for new brake pads and may be disk as well... I lookes at KVR products. Any comments on them ?
Lee... I think we already discuss about something like disk for Mazda with you... My pads really need to be changed but the disk can wait... so let me know if you are interested...
If I were you, I would browse on the net and look for Mazda speedshops. They will most likely be in the US. Then try to get some good pads from them. PF97 or CarboTech XP8.
blacksheep
08-31-2005, 07:46 PM
I have Panther XP8 on my front brakes. It's a good track pad, and they can custom-make them for ANY car. You can use them on the street too, they grip well even when cold but be aware that they squeal when you brake from walking speeds (ex: in stop and go traffic).
I don't want rear lockup (spinnnnnn!) so I put something less agressive on the back - Axxis (aka PBR) Ultimates. This combination gives good brake balance on my car.
Dust isn't bad except for the first 8 to 10 stops, and durability on the track is good. I don't drive my car on the street between track events. After 8 track days with my pads (1x Sanair, 3x Mecaglisse, 3x Tremblant and 1x St-Eustache) the fronts are finished and the back don't have much meat left.
the site for Carbotech is : http://www.carbotecheng.com/main.htm they also sell Axxis (or PBR) at good prices.
SpeedTT
09-01-2005, 09:31 AM
Commande tu tes arboteck directement du site web ou via un revendeur de la région?
blacksheep
09-01-2005, 10:49 AM
J'ai commandé par téléphone.
En a tu besoin bientôt? Je vais probablement me commander un nouveau set de spares d'ici quelques semaines.
À Tremblant mon instructeur (instructrice?) avait une Golf MkIV 1.8T avec un kit de freins de TT 225hp. Je ne me souviens pas quels pads elle avait mais ça freinait en sale! Et je n'ai jamais détecté de "fade" même après 25 minutes sur du R compound.
I don't want rear lockup (spinnnnnn!) so I put something less agressive on the back - Axxis (aka PBR) Ultimates. This combination gives good brake balance on my car.I had the same thought with the Evo. Once I set up the alignment with toe out in the rear, the back gets a little squirrely under hard braking. I wanted to shift the brake bias forward a bit. I went with XP-9's in the front and XP-8's in the rear. It's a good combination.
Commande tu tes arboteck directement du site web ou via un revendeur de la région?I order direct from Carbotech. There's a sales rep named Matt who has been very helpful with my E30 and the Evo. Ask for him.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think Hagen Hohn from HH Tuning & Performance (http://www.hhtuningandperformance.com) can get Carbotech pads.
Emre
I am looking for new brake pads and may be disk as well... I lookes at KVR products. Any comments on them ?The only thing I know about KVR is that their prices are pretty ridiculous. I don't know anyone who runs them on the track, so it's hard to know how they hold up and perform. Keep in mind that most race pads should not be used on the street as the high metallic content will scar your rotors when cold.
As Lee suggests, the Performance Friction PF-97's and Carbotech Panther XP-8's (and even XP-9's) are great track pads that can also be used on the street without damaging your rotors. They'll squeal a bit and make lots of dust, but the rotors will be fine. By all accounts, the PF-97's are better on the street than the Carbotechs.
Emre
yield
09-07-2005, 02:28 PM
Bon j'ai magasiner un peux et ya les brakes pads de KVR qui sont bien mais pour la track.... pas sur, pas sur... meme le vendeuir doutais... et ils sont en carbone et le vendeur ndisais que il vont trop ramollir....
Hawk fait juste les freins arierre.....
J'ai aussi regarder les carbotech mais ils font juste le devant....
La je pourrais dire... je vais mettre du carbotech en avant et du hawk en arierre... Mais comment savoir quel grade de carbotech et de Hawk serais équivalent pour pas déballancer moon freinage.... ???
yield
09-07-2005, 02:44 PM
Bon j'ai magasiner un peux et ya les brakes pads de KVR qui sont bien mais pour la track.... pas sur, pas sur... meme le vendeuir doutais... et ils sont en carbone et le vendeur ndisais que il vont trop ramollir....
Hawk fait juste les freins arierre.....
J'ai aussi regarder les carbotech mais ils font juste le devant....
La je pourrais dire... je vais mettre du carbotech en avant et du hawk en arierre... Mais comment savoir quel grade de carbotech et de Hawk serais équivalent pour pas déballancer moon freinage.... ???
Ok... It been recommended to me to look at EBC yellow stuff but I don't trust them... Anyone tryed them ?
blacksheep
09-07-2005, 02:49 PM
comme je disais (en anglais) j'ai des carbotech panther XP-8 en avant et des AXXIS Ultimate (ou PBR Ultimate, c'est la même chose) en arrière et ça marche bien pour moi
yield
09-07-2005, 05:09 PM
Quelqu'un connais Grand Sport...
214 + taxes en avant. Chez trac....
J'ai jamais entendu parler de ca.
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Some one know about Grand sport brakes pads.
214$ + taxes for the front ones at trac racing in Laval.
On my side I never heard of that.
Ok... It been recommended to me to look at EBC yellow stuff but I don't trust them... Anyone tryed them ?EBC pads = total junk.
I've never seen anyone using EBC pads of any type (green, red, yellow) who was happy with them at all. By all accounts, they suck. You can't go wrong with PF-97's or Carbotech XP-9's (or XP-8's).
Emre
214$ + taxes for the front ones at trac racing in Laval.I don't know anything about Grand Sport pads. All I know is I get convulsions when Club members consider getting raped by (aka, "shopping at") certain disreputable shops in the Laval area...
Emre
blacksheep
09-07-2005, 06:30 PM
TRAC racing in Laval?
Aren't they located at Autodrome St-Eustache now?
LOL @ Emre's comment ...
yield
09-07-2005, 08:05 PM
LOL yes they are... Ok.. I will let go for TRAC. And wait to get carbotech.
yield
09-07-2005, 08:18 PM
what do you think of carbotech(Bobcat on the 4 weels ? ) some one from mazda club changes for an rx-8 and have these left with only 1000 km on them,
There is a very long list of peoples who have had headaches with a certain "speedshop" owned by an internationally known and licensed local racer in St-Eustache, formerly from Laval. If you want to keep your sanity, please keep away. Unless you are under 16 year old, you will not be impressed.
Performance Friction PF97 (no other number) or Carbotech (XP8 or XP9?).
bmwqc
09-07-2005, 11:47 PM
How can this guy manage stay in business if he keeps ripping off his customers?
There is a very long list of peoples who have had headaches with a certain "speedshop" owned by an internationally known and licensed local racer in St-Eustache, formerly from Laval. If you want to keep your sanity, please keep away. Unless you are under 16 year old, you will not be impressed.
Performance Friction PF97 (no other number) or Carbotech (XP8 or XP9?).
blacksheep
09-08-2005, 12:21 AM
How can this guy manage stay in business if he keeps ripping off his customers?I was there the other day looking around.
While I was there I found it pretty funny watching all 3 people at the counter. Each one was on the phone giving different excuses to customers why their parts have not arrived yet and saying they have no idea how long it will take.
Hmmmmmmm ...
How can this guy manage stay in business if he keeps ripping off his customers?Because there is an endless supply of 16 year olds who've just bought their first car (a 3rd hand Civic or VW Golf with 250,000 miles on the clock) and buy into the "we're internationally known racecar drivers who regulary beat high-dollar drivers in Grand Am Porsches with nothing more than our Toyota Echos" bullshit.
If you look at all their marketing, it's clear that they don't go after experienced drivers and certainly aren't looking for repeat customers. They just want to make a quick kill, grab a few bucks, then send you on your way. Even if you never come back, another sucker will be along shortly. It's the old used car salesman approach.
Emre
yield
09-08-2005, 08:29 AM
Ok ! I know now ! Let's stop bashing on track and let's concentrate on brakes pads... I know they are not really appreciated. And I learned that yesterday while the guy that was bullshiting me big like the arm on the phone.. LOL
Are bobcats from carbotech is well enough for some one like me ( a new bee track addict ) that just want to finish the season for less money possible ?
but as for the bobcat series from carbotech is that a great choice for 200$ for the 4 pads ?Carbotech Bobcats are terrific pads...but they're for street use only. They're very gentle on rotors, have great initial bite even when stone cold, are easy to modulate, have good fade resistance, and generate very little dust. The only downside is that they can be a little noisy in some applications (they're much quieter on relatively small stock brake systems rather than huge big-brake kits).
But, like most great street pads, they really don't hold up to extended track use. They'll be fine for a few laps, then start to fade badly. If you want to track a powerful, relatively heavy car (like your Mazdaspeed) then they'll fall apart. The solution is either to go with two sets of pads (street and track) or get a more track-oriented compound.
Personally, I would go for good street pads and see how they work for you on the track. There's no reason to run out and buy dedicated track pads at this point. Street pads will be fine for your first few driver's schools anyway.
Emre
yield
09-08-2005, 08:48 AM
Thank you Emry...
That is an Answer... LOL
I thinl I will go witth them for the street and may be for that time for the track because I don't want to speed another 300$ juste for one event...
Like you say I am more a student right now so I don't want to go too much radical either.
recently learned rule of thumb
Stay away of everything that lurks and preys on montrealraicng.
Because there is an endless supply of 16 year olds who've just bought their first car (a 3rd hand Civic or VW Golf with 250,000 miles on the clock) and buy into the "we're internationally known racecar drivers who regulary beat high-dollar drivers in Grand Am Porsches with nothing more than our Toyota Echos" bullshit.
If you look at all their marketing, it's clear that they don't go after experienced drivers and certainly aren't looking for repeat customers. They just want to make a quick kill, grab a few bucks, then send you on your way. Even if you never come back, another sucker will be along shortly. It's the old used car salesman approach.
Emre
SpeedTT
09-08-2005, 10:16 AM
Après avoir connu les joies et les peines liées à l'utilisation de pads Hawk je vais ( et suite aux recommandations de Lee et Emre ( encore merci les gars)) commander de Carbotech Panther XP-8's pour mes freins avant. Dans mon cas il n'y a pa d'urgence car ma voiture était chaussée avec des freins neufs pour Tremblant. Toutefois je me disait que la haute saison des ventes de pieces de performance est sans doute terminée, et qu'un "group buy" pourrait pet être béneficier de certains rabais...$$$. Donc s'il y a des intéressés ( des vrais) manifestez-vous.
silver ride
09-08-2005, 05:12 PM
@SpeedTT: les peines?? à date moi je n'ai vu que des joies pour les Hawk sur ma voiture... t'entends quoi par "peines"?
SpeedTT
09-08-2005, 05:26 PM
Lorsque je parle de peine je fais référence au fait que les Hawk HP+ que j'avais sur ma TT me procurrait un freinage supérieur à mes pads d'origine ( mais pas de façon très significative) mais ils étaient TRÈS agressif sur les disques. Le poids de mon véhicule y est peut être pour quelque chose (1475 Kilos... oui oui c'est beaucoup pour une voiture de ce format qui a en plus certaines composantes qui sont en alluminium, dont le capot, qu'est ce que cela serait autrement).
wilwood (polymatrix - raybestos) recently released a new compound called BP10
It's a street-trackable compound.
I used it at tremblant and it performed great! Never faded even with noob mistake of riding the brakes in some fast corners. It does DUST a lot and my front wore down about 20% during 2 days driving school (but my car is heavy, and as I said, I am a noob).
Good thing about Polymatrix brake pads is they are cheap (cost 85$ us per axle in my case). Unfortunately they are not available for BMWs (yet?) but available for some Audi and VWs and a few other cars.
Lee, have you ever heard of this? Thoughts?
Here
http://brakepads.wilwood.com/02-graphs/bp10.gif
Medium friction compound with the low noise and low dust of a street performance compound and the increased friction characteristics of a semi-metallic race compound.
Smooth engagement with consistent response from a flat torque curve throughout its entire effective temperature range.
Good low to middle temperature wear rates.
Beds quickly and provides fast response without excessive abrasion on vented iron rotors.
SpeedTT
09-08-2005, 07:09 PM
If doctor Lee said it s a good choice, i check if this product is available for my TT. Thanks fo the information NANO
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If doctor Lee said it s a good choice, i check if this product is available for my TT. Thanks fo the information NANO
I use these compounds because my calipers require particular pads that very few manufactueres produce... actually, I only found polymatrix pads fit my calipers and this is the best choice for me atm.
From what I know, The compound has been released only recently and is available for rear audi TT calipers 00-02.
Probably in future more applications will come out with this compound.
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