View Full Version : Metro NY PCA @ Tremblant in June
snowmanmtl
02-06-2007, 10:55 PM
http://www.metronypca.org/
Open to all cars.
johnmdanskin
02-07-2007, 01:13 PM
http://www.metronypca.org/
Open to all cars.with PCA member drivers.
"As an added bonus, any PCA member who owns and drives any other kind of track prepared car is welcome to participate."
And you can't join the PCA unless you have one of those porch-mobiles. I need to go to a junkyard and buy a VIN. If I was still in silicon valley, I think the junkyards would be full of post-IPO porche&champagne combos.
snowmanmtl
02-07-2007, 01:25 PM
with PCA member drivers.
"As an added bonus, any PCA member who owns and drives any other kind of track prepared car is welcome to participate."
And you can't join the PCA unless you have one of those porch-mobiles. I need to go to a junkyard and buy a VIN. If I was still in silicon valley, I think the junkyards would be full of post-IPO porche&champagne combos.
Didn't see that part. If you are interested you should contact the registrar. I doubt they would turn away a BMWCCA member for this event. Somebody pointed out that this is the weekend of the Mtl GP.
johnmdanskin
02-07-2007, 01:48 PM
Didn't see that part. If you are interested you should contact the registrar. I doubt they would turn away a BMWCCA member for this event. Somebody pointed out that this is the weekend of the Mtl GP.Wow. could be cool to see the GP -and- drive. I am going to call http://www.911pcar.com/ (LA Porsche Salvage Yard) and see if they'll sell me a VIN. Cheap. They should have some cars that don't need their VIN.
If I call the ny pca registrar I'll let people know what happened. I'll have to look at calendars before I can commit.
johnmdanskin
02-07-2007, 02:50 PM
got a VIN. Joined the PCA. Waiting for a membership number. 8-).
it took me a while to convert between the vin I heard on the phone and what the real vin must have been. I got a 1996 Black 993 turbo.
If you wanted to do this, today might not be the best time to call that particular salvage yard.
-john
Didn't see that part. If you are interested you should contact the registrar. I doubt they would turn away a BMWCCA member for this event. Somebody pointed out that this is the weekend of the Mtl GP.
There is indeed an untold reciprocity agreement between BMW Club chapters and most PCA chapters. I am interested to attend too. Thanks for the head-up Mike.
I was on the phone with Andy from the PCA Metro chapter. They will recognize the BMW Club membership and will not request a fire extinguisher. The event is only $340usd for two days or roughly $400cdn.
the fire extinguisher isn't a bad idea
where can I procure myself a halon one?
johnmdanskin
03-07-2007, 03:59 PM
the fire extinguisher isn't a bad idea
where can I procure myself a halon one?
I just read an article on fire extinguishers for race cars, but unfortunately, I can't remember where. It was saying that halon is toxic. Type ABC fire extinguishers are the best for handhelds, although they leave a mess. Halon is good for automatic because it isn't directional.
If you have a FE, it is supposed to be mounted to metal and somewhere where you can easily grab it. I've been wanting one, but I'm not sure where to put it. I could stick it on the rollbar, but grabbing something on the rollbar is asking for a rotator cuff injury (translation, likely to be slow in an emergency). Another option is bolted to the floor in the passenger area. Still hard to reach, but I'm less likely to have to deal with a dislocated shoulder AND a fire. Ideas?
There is a place on Papineau, not far from Rosement called Guard-X and they specialize in fire extinguishers. It is not a bad idea to have one at LCMT as the flaggers have been told not to make an intervention if a car is on fire on the track... So, the old rules to drive as close as possible to a flagging station and let them take care of "the problem" doesn't hold at LCMT.
And those who run Italian cars, it is always good to have one onboard... :D
johnmdanskin
03-07-2007, 04:04 PM
Here is a fire extinguisher page for RVs. Halon turns into phosgene gas (popular in wartime if you didn't sign the geneva convention). http://www.aonrecreation.com/newsletters/fire?id=7
johnmdanskin
03-07-2007, 04:17 PM
This racing foam fire suppressant product seems to be safe and approved by basically everyone. It seems to be a "put out the cockpit" product which is nice if the fire is in the cockpit and you can't get out. They don't seem to have a "grab the extinguisher and put out your engine" product, which is a secondary, but still important concern.
http://www.purplepatchmotorsports.com/firesuppprod01.htm
If you have a FE, it is supposed to be mounted to metal and somewhere where you can easily grab it. I've been wanting one, but I'm not sure where to put it.
Halon was suggested to me because it doesn't leave a mess. It is said to be "midly toxic in confined spaces". I'll do more research, but not sure it's an issue. They are approved for automotive use.
The place suggested by the porsche guys, is the paggenger seat sliders (basically, right under the passengers legs), using the seat sliders as the metal-metal surface with a bracket of some sort. Something like this
http://www.devwebsphere.com/porsche/images/epsn0009.JPG
this to me appears to be the best solution. Easy to reach, and no need to alter anything.
Secondary handheld extinguisher doesn't replace a fire supression system anyway. It is not approved for racing for example. If you are stuck in the car and a fire breaks out, the mildy toxic halon will be the least toxic of the fumes you will be breathing... that is not its scope. The way I see it, it's more for the car than for myself. An unattended fire, even small can turn costly very quickly.
And those who run Italian cars, it is always good to have one onboard...
Don't underestimate the fire propension of german built VWs :)
this is my VW dealership... and yes, it's on fire
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7517/untitled1dj0.jpg
handheld extinguisher doesn't replace a fire supression system anyway. It is not approved for racing for example. If you are stuck in the car and a fire breaks out, I don't know how much good it will do.. be it halon or foam, That's not the scope.The typical 2.5lbs "ABC" handheld extinguishers you see at PCA events are probaby of limited value. I do have one in the E30 track car...but I'm not really sold on it. I think it might be helpful if you have a small electrical fire or maybe if a bit of oil flares up under the hood. For anything bigger, I doubt it would do much good. Still, it's easy enough to strap one to the cage or bolt one under the seat, so I guess it can't hurt.
Emre
The typical 2.5lbs "ABC" handheld extinguishers you see at PCA events are probaby of limited value. I do have one in the E30 track car...but I'm not really sold on it. I think it might be helpful if you have a small electrical fire or maybe if a bit of oil flares up under the hood. For anything bigger, I doubt it would do much good. Still, it's easy enough to strap one to the cage or bolt one under the seat, so I guess it can't hurt.
Emre
It could actually turn dangerous. Guy risking his life trying to save his car at all costs from fire with a silly 2.5lbs extinguisher...
they are not banned from racing though, they are allowed as secondary systems (like in WRC for example). So in the right circumstances, I think they might be better than nothing.
Plus they are bling (I suggested to gregster getting a fake one, just good enough to look real from the outside) :p
It could actually turn dangerous. Guy risking his life trying to save his car from fire with a 2.5lbs extinguisher.I guess. If there's a fire in the cabin, my "Plan A" includes jumping out of the car and running away. I wouldn't waste a second digging around looking for my extinguisher.
But, if I see black smoke pouring out under the hood, then it wouldn't be unreasonable to hop out of the car and empty a small extinguisher into the engine bay. The trick is to keep the hood closed to avoid introducing more O2 to the fire. Pump through the front grille and hope for the best.
Emre
Gregster
03-07-2007, 06:52 PM
It could actually turn dangerous. Guy risking his life trying to save his car at all costs from fire with a silly 2.5lbs extinguisher...
they are not banned from racing though, they are allowed as secondary systems (like in WRC for example). So in the right circumstances, I think they might be better than nothing.
Plus they are bling (I suggested to gregster getting a fake one, just good enough to look real from the outside) :p
LOL!
They are only bling if chromed or so I have been told.
I am not a fan of the ABC dry chemical ones, the mess is usually worse then the actual fire.The foam one that John posted is another good idea if you are scared that the halon one will kill you.. If thats the case just toss the bottle into the fire and run away last action hero style.. Something I can see John doing
"Since 1992 the sale and service of Halon extinguishers has been made illegal in Canada due to environmental concerns except for in a few rare cases, as per the Montreal Protocol."
that definitely wouldn't work :( ... but
"Halotron I extinguishers, like carbon dioxide units, are "clean agents" that leave no residue after discharge. Halotron I is less damaging to the Earth's ozone layer than Halon 1211 (which was banned by international agreements starting in 1994). This "clean agent" discharges as a liquid, has high visibility during dischage, does not cause thermal or static shock, leaves no residue and is non-conducting. These properties make it ideal for computer rooms, clean rooms, telecommunications equipment, and electronics. These superior properties of Halotron I come at a higher cost relative to carbon dioxide." :) .. yay
http://www.safetyemporium.com/ILPI_Site/WebPagesUS/detail.htm&&2eiBpe0obDuox2NvxMpoLGxolobo2bbBeJ1gcrFUjcxA3yghLspvJJx6W4ka XukaXq_aS6a?09522
Gregster
03-07-2007, 07:04 PM
"Since 1992 the sale and service of Halon extinguishers has been made illegal in Canada due to environmental concerns except for in a few rare cases, as per the Montreal Protocol."
that doesn't work :(
Thats about the same time they banned Top Fuel dragsters in canada for the same reason. That also explains why most guys at shops have been looking at me strange when I asked them.
Go to the US of freedomland for Halon ones. They just don't sell them at Home Depot, Wal Mart, Lowe etc.
johnmdanskin
03-07-2007, 07:18 PM
LOL!
They are only bling if chromed or so I have been told.
the purplepatch guys will sell you a chrome fire system. I want one with gold chains.
Gregster
03-07-2007, 08:05 PM
the purplepatch guys will sell you a chrome fire system. I want one with gold chains.
thats ballin out of control
I have been twice in racecars on fire (the worst one: fuel fire). If you want to do something, you have about 5 secondes. Which is about as long as a 2.5lbs extinguisher can last. Beyond that, take your wallet and leave...
thats ballin out of control
Greg will want a chrome bottle with a ring, to go along his Milwaukee zip gun... with a ring too.:D:D
Gregster
03-07-2007, 08:29 PM
Greg will want a chrome bottle with a ring, to go along his Milwaukee zip gun... with a ring too.:D:D
Pfft milwaukee..
Dewalt pwnz all
Andrei
03-07-2007, 09:23 PM
Halon is the best substance to fight a fire, period. It interferes with the chemical reaction and does not let whatever is burning to react with oxygen. It is very efficient by volume.
That is pretty much the only substance allowed for firefighting inside airplanes or submarines. It is not that toxic compared to other methods. And outdoors I would consider it harmless compared to other stuff we are exposed to.
The environmental impact of using halon to take out a toxic fire (like on a car) is much less than the results of the fire if left unchecked. But it is harmful to the ozone layer. So if you have it please don't "test" your fire extinguisher.
And yes, I tried to get a chrome halon extinguisher but they were out of stock. I got a red one.
BTW you can't get any extinguisher shipped from the US. They are considered HAZMAT and there is way too much paperwork. But if you have a US shipping address you can get one.
but is halon legal to have in personal FE in canada?
I'd be pretty pissed getting to the track with a fine and without a fire extinguisher.
BTW, it seems the effectiveness ratings of halon extinguishers are lower than chemical all-purpose ones "for same volume". (ie: 2.5lbs halon has lower rating than 2.5lbs chemical).
for example, to get a 1A - 10B:C rating ... it takes 2.5lbs dry chemical, 9lbs halon, 11lbs halotron or 9.5lbs FE-36
or... a 2.5lbs dry-chemical has 1A-10B:C, while a a 2.5lbs halon has 5B:C (at least the ones I have found)
I'd like a halon because it doesn't leave any residue. But if it's illegal, beside not being as effective for same volume, than not sure it's worth it.
Gregster
03-07-2007, 10:13 PM
but is halon legal to have in personal FE in canada?
I'd be pretty pissed getting to the track with a fine and without a fire extinguisher
I wouldnt worry about it
Andrei
03-07-2007, 10:14 PM
From what I understand it is not legal in Canada. Same for marijuana.
I wouldnt worry about it
I'm trying to find the best solution
Halon has the advantage of not doing more damages than the hypothetical fire you are trying to put out. Which is no small thing...
But since I don't plan on fighting fire much, If the pros of getting one outweight the cons, then just forgetting about a FE migth be the best solution... maybe my idea of a fake one is not so bad after all.
Halotron-I seems legal in canada, but not as effective as halon. (2B:C for a 2.5lbs one)
Anyways, I registered
it's during F1 weekend, but I prefer driving circuit mont-tremblant than watching circuit gilles villeneuve. :D
Anyone else is going? I hear they are still missing a few applications to make it happen.
Gregster
03-19-2007, 06:50 PM
Anyways, I registered
it's during F1 weekend, but I prefer driving circuit mont-tremblant than watching circuit gilles villeneuve. :D
I prefer being at circuit gilles villeneuve
Andrei
03-20-2007, 07:27 AM
Driving on the track is always more fun. But I can make an exemption for F1 once a year.
Also I can drink beer during track hours. Without this I'd be at Tremblant, too.
johnmdanskin
03-20-2007, 10:20 AM
Driving on the track is always more fun. But I can make an exemption for F1 once a year.
Also I can drink beer during track hours. Without this I'd be at Tremblant, too.
you mean we aren't driving in the f1? I thought we were signed up to drive. We're just watching? How lame is that. Oh sh#t. There goes the weekend.
Driving on the track is always more fun. But I can make an exemption for F1 once a year.
Also I can drink beer during track hours. Without this I'd be at Tremblant, too.
I was driving tremblant in a POS rental automatic dodge charger as Italy was winning the world cup. goes that I will be driving tremblant (albeit in a slightly less POSsier car) as the Scuderia Ferrari takes 1st and 2nd in montreal. :p Wouldn't be fair otherwise
BTW In past years, it often happened that some Ferrari F1 racers were driven to LCMT to have fun for a few more lapses.
Andrei
03-21-2007, 02:08 PM
BTW In past years, it often happened that some Ferrari F1 racers were driven to LCMT to have fun for a few more lapses.
Yes, Schumacher drove Mr. Stroll's Ferrari Challenge race car at Tremblant. He posted a silly fast time (in 1:30s if I remember it right) and the car needed to be rebuilt. He was very impressed with the track.
bmwqc
03-21-2007, 03:12 PM
Yes, Schumacher drove Mr. Stroll's Ferrari Challenge race car at Tremblant. He posted a silly fast time (in 1:30s if I remember it right) and the car needed to be rebuilt. He was very impressed with the track.
The owner of the car must have been impressed.
The owner of the car must have been impressed.
I heard the story that stroll often invites professional drivers to drive around in his cars. He seems to enjoy this more than driving the cars himself.
I heard the story that stroll often invites professional drivers to drive around in his cars. He seems to enjoy this more than driving the cars himself.
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bmwqc
03-21-2007, 03:36 PM
I heard the story that stroll often invites professional drivers to drive around in his cars. He seems to enjoy this more than driving the cars himself.
Best kind of "autograph" one's car can have
Isn't that a bit like paying a stranger to " " your car? :rolleyes:
Then it's more like he has many "misstresses", and he's just paying for live action :)
Andrei
03-21-2007, 05:48 PM
I heard the story that stroll often invites professional drivers to drive around in his cars. He seems to enjoy this more than driving the cars himself.
I don't know if he "enjoys" it more. But there is a benefit. The pro helps getting the setup right and also provides insight on driving the car the best possible way. Not a bad option to have.
johnmdanskin
03-22-2007, 05:20 PM
I don't know if he "enjoys" it more. But there is a benefit. The pro helps getting the setup right and also provides insight on driving the car the best possible way. Not a bad option to have.
downside is he thinks redline is 19,500rpm.
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